Who all has downloaded the advertisement for Hobby-Space from the file area? I would really like it if all boards on the network placed the ad someplace on their board. I can't force it, but would be nice.



...Be an individualist. He who follows another is always behind.

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Who all has downloaded the advertisement for Hobby-Space from the file area? I would really like it if all boards on the network placed the ad someplace on their board. I can't force it, but would be nice.

BiggieB from JerseyJam.com is raising his hand. It posted it on my BBS I think within 5 mins after you made the file available.

That means a lot! Thank you, I knew you added it. I am just wondering if anyone else did.

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Re: ad for Hobby-Space, in file section.
By: Morningstarr to All on Wed Apr 29 2026 02:11 pm

Who all has downloaded the advertisement for Hobby-Space from the file area? I would really like it if all boards on the network placed the ad someplace on their board. I can't force it, but would be nice.

Finally just grabbed it myself -- forgot to on my main machine, and my laptop lacks an ANSI editor so I didn't actually get to look at it the other day when I downloaded it on that system.

Tis cool. I'll toss it on RP shortly.

On the nature of getting Hobby-Space really going, we do need to discuss and cement some things, since everything is still a bit how-ya-doing on setup.

Example: subs.txt was removed from SBBS recently, so that file is actually useless for the most modern builds (I put in everything manually!) so we will need exports of the message areas in every other format we can get, and also make SURE everything is standard - mainly the USOS section in documentation is presumably incorrectly named internally vs what SBBS will force the group internal names to be on the board.

Just some things I noticed and have been milling over. Still not fully sure how SBBS does routing of QWK message areas, since their physical arrangement in the message lists seems to be critical to this, but I'm not sure. Should ask Digital Man, but never had a good time asking questions for SBBS help on Dove-Net, which is sad since that's the place to do it. :\
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I will make another subs.txt file. I will also rework the text document for setup.

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Re: ad for Hobby-Space, in file section.
By: Morningstarr to Kurisu on Wed Apr 29 2026 04:32 pm

I will make another subs.txt file.

No that's the thing, subs.txt is no longer an active message area import/export format.

The export list now is:

³areas.bbs SBBSecho Area File º
³areas.ini SBBSecho Area File º
³*subs.ini Synchronet Shared Config º
³backbone.na FidoNet EchoList º
³newsgroup.lst USENET Newsgroup List º

So yeah, you would do best to export at complte set of those, and insure in documents that the board listing is always in identical order to how it is on YOUR board. I think that's a key factor in messages importing to the correct areas.
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When did synchronet stop supporting subs.txt? I'll export the other files as well.

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I did a quick google A.I search of qwk networks and areas.bbs, ect. This is what I got.

If you are hosting a QWK network, you do not need to use the areas.bbs file at all.
The areas.bbs file and the Export Areas option in scfg are strictly used for FidoNet (FTN) technology networks. Because QWK and FidoNet use completely different transport mechanisms, configuring FidoNet settings for a QWK network will break your setup.
How QWK Networks Work in Synchronet

No areas.bbs Needed: QWK packets simply pack up your local message areas directly and do not rely on centralized FTN area mapping files.
Hub vs. Node: In a QWK network, you are the Hub. Your users or downstream BBSes are the Nodes.
The Process: Nodes will connect to your Synchronet BBS to download a .QWK packet filled with messages and upload a .REP packet with their replies.

Am I missing something sir?

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Re: ad for Hobby-Space, in file section.
By: Morningstarr to Kurisu on Wed Apr 29 2026 06:04 pm

When did synchronet stop supporting subs.txt? I'll export the other files as well.

Sometime recently, apparently. Not sure exactly when.

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Re: ad for Hobby-Space, in file section.
By: Morningstarr to Kurisu on Wed Apr 29 2026 06:11 pm

I did a quick google A.I search of qwk networks and areas.bbs, ect. This is what I got.

If you are hosting a QWK network, you do not need to use the areas.bbs file at all.
The areas.bbs file and the Export Areas option in scfg are strictly used for FidoNet (FTN) technology networks. Because QWK and FidoNet use completely different transport mechanisms, configuring FidoNet settings for a QWK network will break your setup.
How QWK Networks Work in Synchronet

No areas.bbs Needed: QWK packets simply pack up your local message areas directly and do not rely on centralized FTN area mapping files.
Hub vs. Node: In a QWK network, you are the Hub. Your users or downstream BBSes are the Nodes.
The Process: Nodes will connect to your Synchronet BBS to download a .QWK packet filled with messages and upload a .REP packet with their replies.

Am I missing something sir?

area files are used in some software for FTN routing, but it's a valid import/export method for SBBS areas, and that's all in this case it would be being used for, providing users the option, and if this ever goes FTN and such is needed in a BBS package, it would already be there.
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You ask a question on Dove-net they're going to pounce on ya lol.

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I would like to set it up as a fido as well. So users can make the choice, plus not all boards are synchronet and do not support qwk networking.

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I would like to set it up as a fido as well. So users can make the choice, plus not all boards are synchronet and do not support qwk networking.

I have the contact information for the two guys to register as a FidoNet node. As you know I have been running FidoNet. Just let me know and I'll send their info your way. You have to request, and they have to set you up, before you can start.

Subject: ad for Hobby-Space, in file section.
@MSGID: <69F2C1C0.247.hobbyspcsynchronet@JerseyJam.com>
@REPLY: <69F2AF21.223.hobbyspcsynchronetbbs@Hobbyspc.synchro.net>
@TZ: c12c

I have the contact information for the two guys to register as a FidoNet node. As you know I have been running FidoNet. Just let me know and I'll send their info your way. You have to request, and they have to set you up, before you can start.

I was talking about having hobby-space qwk network also have fido like capabilities. I don't know if I want to even try to setup fido-net. I hear it's hard, and I don't think I'm smart enough to set it up. Actually I heard it was a nightmare to setup lol

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I was talking about having hobby-space qwk network also have fido like capabilities.

Ahh!! Opps..sorry about that. I read your post waaaay too fast. Yes, FTN would be nice...maybe works better than QWK? Hobby-Net is a FTN as well with node address at 954. Not even sure how to even start our own FTN on our systems. I'm sure it will be a fun learning exercise! :)

Re: ad for Hobby-Space, in file section.
By: BiggieB to Morningstarr on Thu Apr 30 2026 08:49 am

with node address at 954. Not even sure how to even start our own FTN on our systems. I'm sure it will be a fun learning exercise! :)

That's the funny thing, I know the gist of how it all works and am pretty sure I could get something working for the most part message area wise via FTN.

I would say FTN and QWK have equal annoyance in setup, if different in why they are annoying.
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How would fido work better than qwk? Both have netmail, tossing messages, and file transfer.

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I just read how to do it. I 'think' I can actually host it as a fido-style too.

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I just read how to do it. I 'think' I can actually host it as a fido-style too.

Do you know who assigns node #'s? I'm pretty sure you can't just make one up but I have no idea.

Re: ad for Hobby-Space, in file section.
By: BiggieB to Morningstarr on Thu Apr 30 2026 07:18 pm

Do you know who assigns node #'s? I'm pretty sure you can't just make one up but I have no idea.

No, that's exactly what you do. Pick a net number that seems free, come up with a zone/node schema, and start setting things up.

I already have a schema for my network, I just need to finalize what the network will actually be like.
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www.xadara.com

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BiggieB wrote to Morningstarr <=-

I just read how to do it. I 'think' I can actually host it as a fido-style too.

Do you know who assigns node #'s? I'm pretty sure you can't just make
one up but I have no idea.

As far as I know there isn't an authority on network numbers for FTN's.
You will want to have your own domain that you can create a couple of
dns zones in to so that your nodes can find each other with out having
to always use a nodelist.
Older systems may require a nodelist so managing one might be a good
idea, but fidonet doesn't require one to operate.

One of the main differences I see from a feature set of FTN's vs qwk is
that you have the ability to setup more than one FTN connection to the
network.
You would do this to make sure that you receive all messages from the
network.
Outbound messaging you are sort of limited to sending the outbound
Echomail to your hub.
Netmail you can send direct between systems.


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Kurisu wrote to BiggieB <=-

Re: ad for Hobby-Space, in file section.
By: BiggieB to Morningstarr on Thu Apr 30 2026 07:18 pm

I already have a schema for my network, I just need to finalize what
the network will actually be like. _________
kurisu

Another thing is depending on how you want to build out when you are
small you have a single hub that connects to all the nodes.
Once you bring on more systems you go to a multi hub network where hubs
talk to hubs and nodes talk to individual hubs.


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I'm thinking of the number 636

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The numbers I may use is 636, 676, or 666 lol

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I guess it would depend on how big hobby-space got ya know? If it got big we will use multiple nodes.

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You know a lot of people get on boards to play door games, or major muds. I don't really play the door games. I think messaging and message networks are freaking awesome.

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Re: ad for Hobby-Space, in fi
By: Morningstarr to Khronos on Fri May 01 2026 06:59 am

I guess it would depend on how big hobby-space got ya know? If it got big we will use multiple nodes.

The structure is Zone:Net/Node.Point.

Zone would be the address for Hobby-Space, Net would be a logical sub division (could all just be the one net for a smaller message network, could be more to subdivide message routing in a bigger network) with node being any given individual BBS in and of itself, and points being a special case of individual users with special FTN needs, or so I understnad it to broadly be.

There is also an optional but at this stage I believe standardized @domain ending line, I guess for the purpose of separating networks that may use identical numbering for whatever reason.

I'm thinking 901 for my upcoming network, fitting with the area code theme that MicroNet and HobbyNet use.
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www.xadara.com

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Re: ad for Hobby-Space, in file section.
By: Morningstarr to Kurisu on Fri May 01 2026 07:04 am

You know a lot of people get on boards to play door games, or major muds. I don't really play the door games. I think messaging and message networks are freaking awesome.

I do like some games that come with SBBS, but it isn't a main reason I BBS. Files bore me -- there are better ways to get any and all files you could want from a BBS, but the novelty is neat so I have a bit of stuff stashed on my board and may add more as time goes on. Fitting content.

Message areas and communications though, that's the jam.
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www.xadara.com

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I wish all bbs software supported qwk networks. It seems to be the easiest, to setup. So what is your message network going to be about? I will definitely join, because I love posting messages, and I need the practice lol.

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Re: ad for Hobby-Space, in fi
By: Morningstarr to Kurisu on Fri May 01 2026 03:30 pm

I wish all bbs software supported qwk networks. It seems to be the easiest, to setup. So what is your message network going to be about? I will definitely join, because I love posting messages, and I need the practice lol.

The main one would be general messaging. FTN would make it easy to run multiple specialty networks (not that you can't with QWK but it's an agreed upon hack job) so that is kind of a bonus to me doing some side things down the line. Revertive Pulse is a whole damned communications platform, after all. :D _________
kurisu Yamato
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Morningstarr wrote to Khronos <=-

I guess it would depend on how big hobby-space got ya know? If it got
big we will use multiple nodes.

I think you meant hubs instead of nodes.
Each system in the network that is a member system is a node.
Hubs are systems that route traffic between hubs or the main hub for the network in general if there is just one hub and all other systems are
nodes.


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I got the two mixed up hahaha. Well that goes to show you how much I know about fido-net style networks. Imagine if I would have made the same mistake on Dove-net? haha

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