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    From Ivan Zelenyi@2:50/86.1 to All on Monday, April 06, 2026 05:52:53
    test
    --- Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
    * Origin: HUAWEI EVE-LX9N (2:50/86.1)
  • From RBB Test Robot@2:221/360 to Ivan Zelenyi on Monday, April 06, 2026 04:27:12

    06 Apr 26 05:52:53 Ivan Zelenyi (2:50/86.1) wrote:

    ==== begin of the message ====
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    @PID: Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
    @TID: jNode/Android
    @CHRS: CP866 2
    test
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    * Origin: RBB Test Robot @ FIDOTEST (2:221/360)
  • From Mirror Robot@1:229/0 to Ivan Zelenyi on Sunday, April 05, 2026 22:05:00
    On 06 Apr 26 05:52:53 Ivan Zelenyi (2:50/86.1) wrote:

    ==== start of message ====
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    @PID: Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
    @TID: jNode/Android
    @CHRS: CP866 2
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    --- mirror.pl
    * Origin: Eastern Canada (1:229/0)
  • From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.1 to Ivan Zelenyi on Monday, April 06, 2026 11:22:56
    06 Apr 2026 05:52, you wrote to All:

    @MSGID: 2:50/86.1 26efdd08
    @PID: Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
    @TID: jNode/Android
    @CHRS: CP866 2
    test

    Ok!

    But there is no TZUTC kludge. Not surprising, since HotdogEd doesn't generate it.

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    Carlos

    --- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20180707
    * Origin: cyberiada (2:341/234.1)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Carlos Navarro on Monday, April 06, 2026 12:12:02
    But there is no TZUTC kludge. Not surprising, since HotdogEd doesn't generate it.

    Does it really matter?

    I've been running for a while with an incorrect TZUTC-kludge and it bothered no-one apparently.

    \%/@rd

    --- DB4 - 20230201
    * Origin: Many Glacier - Preserve / Protect / Conserve (2:292/854)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Ward Dossche on Monday, April 06, 2026 12:36:27
    Hi Ward,

    On 2026-04-06 12:12:02, you wrote to Carlos Navarro:

    But there is no TZUTC kludge. Not surprising, since HotdogEd doesn't
    generate it.

    Does it really matter?

    It gives extra information about when a message was written. Sometimes that is useful information.

    I've been running for a while with an incorrect TZUTC-kludge and it bothered no-one apparently.

    Maybe people were bothered, but didn't want to annoy you and others about it? Because people don't say anything, you can't conclude they aren't bothered by something.

    But this is the FIDOTEST area, things that can be improved (minor or major doesn't matter) are pointed out. Isn't that the purpose of a test area?


    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.3.2.6-B20251227
    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.12 to Ward Dossche on Monday, April 06, 2026 13:05:26
    Hello, Ward Dossche.
    On 6/4/26 12:12 you wrote:

    But there is no TZUTC kludge. Not surprising, since HotdogEd
    doesn't generate it.
    Does it really matter?

    It's not super-important, but it's better if it's there, so that you can know when the message was actually posted. Some software can use it to display the "real" date/time according to the reader's timezone.

    I've been running for a while with an incorrect TZUTC-kludge and
    it bothered no-one apparently.

    Just a difference of 1 hour, I guess... :-)

    I don't think anyone is really bothered anyway...

    --
    Carlos
    --- Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
    * Origin: cyberiada (2:341/234.12)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Wilfred van Velzen on Monday, April 06, 2026 13:18:19
    Wilfred,

    Does it really matter?

    It gives extra information about when a message was written. Sometimes
    that is useful information.

    It is mostly irrelevant, Wilfred. Only nitpickers get turned on by it.

    "nitpicker" as in the translation from "mierenneuker".

    \%/@rd

    --- DB4 - 20230201
    * Origin: Many Glacier - Preserve / Protect / Conserve (2:292/854)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Ward Dossche on Monday, April 06, 2026 13:26:26
    Hi Ward,

    On 2026-04-06 13:18:19, you wrote to me:

    Does it really matter?

    It gives extra information about when a message was written. Sometimes
    that is useful information.

    It is mostly irrelevant, Wilfred. Only nitpickers get turned on by it.

    It's an FTSC standard. You are one of the supporters to keep the FTSC alive, going as far as to manipulate the nodelist to keep it alive. So why bother at all if those standards are mostly irrelevant?


    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.3.2.6-B20251227
    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Ward Dossche on Monday, April 06, 2026 13:27:22
    Hello Ward,

    On Monday April 06 2026 13:18, you wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

    Does it really matter?

    It gives extra information about when a message was written.
    Sometimes that is useful information.

    It is mostly irrelevant, Wilfred.

    Actually "everything" in Fidonet has become mostly irrelevant decades ago. There are easier and more efficient ways of communicating these days.

    Only nitpickers get turned on by it.

    "nitpicker" as in the translation from "mierenneuker".

    If it weren't for those "nitpickers" Fidonet would have been dead decades ago.


    Cheers, Michiel

    --- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20170303
    * Origin: Meten is weten, testen is verpesten (2:280/5555)
  • From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.12 to Ward Dossche on Monday, April 06, 2026 13:52:53
    Hello, Ward Dossche.
    On 6/4/26 13:18 you wrote:

    It is mostly irrelevant, Wilfred.

    Would it matter if the local date/time of the sender was displayed in emails or Facebook posts, for example?

    --
    Carlos
    --- Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
    * Origin: cyberiada (2:341/234.12)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Carlos Navarro on Monday, April 06, 2026 14:36:42
    Hi Carlos,

    On 2026-04-06 13:52:53, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

    It is mostly irrelevant, Wilfred.

    Would it matter if the local date/time of the sender was displayed in emails
    or Facebook posts, for example?

    I think responses on facebook are always shown in chronological order. In fidonet this isn't automatic, because messages travel through different paths, they sometimes arrive later then older posts, which mixes up the chronological order, which sometimes is confusing...


    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.3.2.6-B20251227
    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Wilfred van Velzen on Monday, April 06, 2026 14:46:58
    Hello Wilfred,

    On Monday April 06 2026 14:36, you wrote to Carlos Navarro:

    It is mostly irrelevant, Wilfred.

    Would it matter if the local date/time of the sender was
    displayed in emails or Facebook posts, for example?

    I think responses on facebook are always shown in chronological order.
    In fidonet this isn't automatic, because messages travel through
    different paths, they sometimes arrive later then older posts, which
    mixes up the chronological order, which sometimes is confusing...

    So it is nice if messages can be sorted on UTC. For that the TZUTC kludge is needed.

    Note: I always thought the the founding fathers of Fidonet erred in using local time for he date/time stamp in messages. Note that even the country of origin of Fidonet has more than one time zone. So like in aviation UTC should have been used. If there is a need for knowing the local time of the sender a TZLOC kludge could be used.


    Cheers, Michiel

    --- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20170303
    * Origin: Meten is weten, testen is verpesten (2:280/5555)
  • From Ivan Zelenyi@2:50/86.1 to Carlos Navarro on Monday, April 06, 2026 19:26:31
    Hello, Carlos Navarro.
    On 06.04.2026 11:22 you wrote:

    But there is no TZUTC kludge. Not surprising, since HotdogEd
    doesn't generate it.

    Today I used a tunnel in the mesh network to connect an EON-node at home. I don't know if it's possible to set the correct tzutc in Hotdoged?

    --
    With best regards,
    Ivan Zelenyi
    --- Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
    * Origin: HUAWEI EVE-LX9N (2:50/86.1)
  • From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.1 to Ivan Zelenyi on Monday, April 06, 2026 18:03:00
    06 Apr 2026 19:26, you wrote to me:

    But there is no TZUTC kludge. Not surprising, since HotdogEd
    doesn't generate it.

    Today I used a tunnel in the mesh network to connect an EON-node at
    home. I don't know if it's possible to set the correct tzutc in
    Hotdoged?

    If you can run PHP in your bossnode, you can use a script that I made that inserts the TZUTC kludge in PKTs from selected points (before they are tossed).

    Carlos

    --- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20180707
    * Origin: cyberiada (2:341/234.1)
  • From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.1 to Wilfred van Velzen on Monday, April 06, 2026 18:05:52
    06 Apr 2026 14:36, you wrote to me:

    Would it matter if the local date/time of the sender was
    displayed in emails or Facebook posts, for example?

    I think responses on facebook are always shown in chronological order.
    In fidonet this isn't automatic, because messages travel through
    different paths, they sometimes arrive later then older posts, which
    mixes up the chronological order, which sometimes is confusing...

    I'm not talking about how the messages are sorted, but about the date/time of posts. If I'm not mistaken, users see the date/time in their corresponding local time (although it may be displayed as "X hours ago", "X days ago" or something similar, unless you hover over it). It's the same in other platforms.

    Carlos

    --- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20180707
    * Origin: cyberiada (2:341/234.1)
  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Carlos Navarro on Monday, April 06, 2026 21:27:19
    Hi Carlos,

    On 2026-04-06 18:05:52, you wrote to me:

    Would it matter if the local date/time of the sender was
    displayed in emails or Facebook posts, for example?

    I think responses on facebook are always shown in chronological order.
    In fidonet this isn't automatic, because messages travel through
    different paths, they sometimes arrive later then older posts, which
    mixes up the chronological order, which sometimes is confusing...

    I'm not talking about how the messages are sorted, but about the date/time of
    posts. If I'm not mistaken, users see the date/time in their corresponding local time (although it may be displayed as "X hours ago", "X days ago" or something similar, unless you hover over it). It's the same in other platforms.

    So the timezone is used on those platforms, just not shown to the users.

    Bye, Wilfred.

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.3.2.6-B20251227
    * Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)
  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to Ivan Zelenyi on Monday, April 06, 2026 20:02:49
    test

    It made it to Arkansas.

    Daryl

    ... Back the Metric System every inch of the way!
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Michiel van der Vlist on Wednesday, April 08, 2026 00:12:33
    Michiel,

    Only nitpickers get turned on by it.

    "nitpicker" as in the translation from "mierenneuker".

    If it weren't for those "nitpickers" Fidonet would have been dead decades ago.

    All is not lost, Switzerland is alive...

    \%/@rd

    --- DB4 - 20230201
    * Origin: Many Glacier - Preserve / Protect / Conserve (2:292/854)
  • From RBB Test Robot@2:221/360 to Thomas Mccaffery on Wednesday, April 08, 2026 04:52:06

    07 Apr 26 19:46:13 Thomas Mccaffery (1:266/630) wrote:

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  • From Mirror Robot@1:229/0 to Thomas Mccaffery on Tuesday, April 07, 2026 22:05:00
    On 07 Apr 26 19:46:13 Thomas Mccaffery (1:266/630) wrote:

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    --- mirror.pl
    * Origin: Eastern Canada (1:229/0)
  • From Joe Stollings@1:275/103 to Thomas Mccaffery on Tuesday, April 07, 2026 22:32:00
    this is a test from Galaxy BBS --- SBBSecho 3.37-Win32 *

    This is a test reply to your test..

    ~ Merlin


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