test
--- Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
* Origin: HUAWEI EVE-LX9N (2:50/86.1)

06 Apr 26 05:52:53 Ivan Zelenyi (2:50/86.1) wrote:

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---
* Origin: RBB Test Robot @ FIDOTEST (2:221/360)

On 06 Apr 26 05:52:53 Ivan Zelenyi (2:50/86.1) wrote:

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--- mirror.pl
* Origin: Eastern Canada (1:229/0)

06 Apr 2026 05:52, you wrote to All:

@MSGID: 2:50/86.1 26efdd08
@PID: Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
@TID: jNode/Android
@CHRS: CP866 2
test

Ok!

But there is no TZUTC kludge. Not surprising, since HotdogEd doesn't generate it.

--- Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
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Carlos

--- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: cyberiada (2:341/234.1)

But there is no TZUTC kludge. Not surprising, since HotdogEd doesn't generate it.

Does it really matter?

I've been running for a while with an incorrect TZUTC-kludge and it bothered no-one apparently.

\%/@rd

--- DB4 - 20230201
* Origin: Many Glacier - Preserve / Protect / Conserve (2:292/854)

Hi Ward,

On 2026-04-06 12:12:02, you wrote to Carlos Navarro:

But there is no TZUTC kludge. Not surprising, since HotdogEd doesn't
generate it.

Does it really matter?

It gives extra information about when a message was written. Sometimes that is useful information.

I've been running for a while with an incorrect TZUTC-kludge and it bothered no-one apparently.

Maybe people were bothered, but didn't want to annoy you and others about it? Because people don't say anything, you can't conclude they aren't bothered by something.

But this is the FIDOTEST area, things that can be improved (minor or major doesn't matter) are pointed out. Isn't that the purpose of a test area?


Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.3.2.6-B20251227
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

Hello, Ward Dossche.
On 6/4/26 12:12 you wrote:

But there is no TZUTC kludge. Not surprising, since HotdogEd
doesn't generate it.

Does it really matter?

It's not super-important, but it's better if it's there, so that you can know when the message was actually posted. Some software can use it to display the "real" date/time according to the reader's timezone.

I've been running for a while with an incorrect TZUTC-kludge and
it bothered no-one apparently.

Just a difference of 1 hour, I guess... :-)

I don't think anyone is really bothered anyway...

--
Carlos
--- Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
* Origin: cyberiada (2:341/234.12)

Wilfred,

Does it really matter?

It gives extra information about when a message was written. Sometimes
that is useful information.

It is mostly irrelevant, Wilfred. Only nitpickers get turned on by it.

"nitpicker" as in the translation from "mierenneuker".

\%/@rd

--- DB4 - 20230201
* Origin: Many Glacier - Preserve / Protect / Conserve (2:292/854)

Hi Ward,

On 2026-04-06 13:18:19, you wrote to me:

Does it really matter?

It gives extra information about when a message was written. Sometimes
that is useful information.

It is mostly irrelevant, Wilfred. Only nitpickers get turned on by it.

It's an FTSC standard. You are one of the supporters to keep the FTSC alive, going as far as to manipulate the nodelist to keep it alive. So why bother at all if those standards are mostly irrelevant?


Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.3.2.6-B20251227
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

Hello Ward,

On Monday April 06 2026 13:18, you wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

Does it really matter?

It gives extra information about when a message was written.
Sometimes that is useful information.

It is mostly irrelevant, Wilfred.

Actually "everything" in Fidonet has become mostly irrelevant decades ago. There are easier and more efficient ways of communicating these days.

Only nitpickers get turned on by it.

"nitpicker" as in the translation from "mierenneuker".

If it weren't for those "nitpickers" Fidonet would have been dead decades ago.


Cheers, Michiel

--- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20170303
* Origin: Meten is weten, testen is verpesten (2:280/5555)

Hello, Ward Dossche.
On 6/4/26 13:18 you wrote:

It is mostly irrelevant, Wilfred.

Would it matter if the local date/time of the sender was displayed in emails or Facebook posts, for example?

--
Carlos
--- Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
* Origin: cyberiada (2:341/234.12)

Hi Carlos,

On 2026-04-06 13:52:53, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

It is mostly irrelevant, Wilfred.

Would it matter if the local date/time of the sender was displayed in emails
or Facebook posts, for example?

I think responses on facebook are always shown in chronological order. In fidonet this isn't automatic, because messages travel through different paths, they sometimes arrive later then older posts, which mixes up the chronological order, which sometimes is confusing...


Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.3.2.6-B20251227
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

Hello Wilfred,

On Monday April 06 2026 14:36, you wrote to Carlos Navarro:

It is mostly irrelevant, Wilfred.

Would it matter if the local date/time of the sender was
displayed in emails or Facebook posts, for example?

I think responses on facebook are always shown in chronological order.
In fidonet this isn't automatic, because messages travel through
different paths, they sometimes arrive later then older posts, which
mixes up the chronological order, which sometimes is confusing...

So it is nice if messages can be sorted on UTC. For that the TZUTC kludge is needed.

Note: I always thought the the founding fathers of Fidonet erred in using local time for he date/time stamp in messages. Note that even the country of origin of Fidonet has more than one time zone. So like in aviation UTC should have been used. If there is a need for knowing the local time of the sender a TZLOC kludge could be used.


Cheers, Michiel

--- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20170303
* Origin: Meten is weten, testen is verpesten (2:280/5555)

Hello, Carlos Navarro.
On 06.04.2026 11:22 you wrote:

But there is no TZUTC kludge. Not surprising, since HotdogEd
doesn't generate it.

Today I used a tunnel in the mesh network to connect an EON-node at home. I don't know if it's possible to set the correct tzutc in Hotdoged?

--
With best regards,
Ivan Zelenyi
--- Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
* Origin: HUAWEI EVE-LX9N (2:50/86.1)

06 Apr 2026 19:26, you wrote to me:

But there is no TZUTC kludge. Not surprising, since HotdogEd
doesn't generate it.

Today I used a tunnel in the mesh network to connect an EON-node at
home. I don't know if it's possible to set the correct tzutc in
Hotdoged?

If you can run PHP in your bossnode, you can use a script that I made that inserts the TZUTC kludge in PKTs from selected points (before they are tossed).

Carlos

--- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: cyberiada (2:341/234.1)

06 Apr 2026 14:36, you wrote to me:

Would it matter if the local date/time of the sender was
displayed in emails or Facebook posts, for example?

I think responses on facebook are always shown in chronological order.
In fidonet this isn't automatic, because messages travel through
different paths, they sometimes arrive later then older posts, which
mixes up the chronological order, which sometimes is confusing...

I'm not talking about how the messages are sorted, but about the date/time of posts. If I'm not mistaken, users see the date/time in their corresponding local time (although it may be displayed as "X hours ago", "X days ago" or something similar, unless you hover over it). It's the same in other platforms.

Carlos

--- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: cyberiada (2:341/234.1)

Hi Carlos,

On 2026-04-06 18:05:52, you wrote to me:

Would it matter if the local date/time of the sender was
displayed in emails or Facebook posts, for example?

I think responses on facebook are always shown in chronological order.
In fidonet this isn't automatic, because messages travel through
different paths, they sometimes arrive later then older posts, which
mixes up the chronological order, which sometimes is confusing...

I'm not talking about how the messages are sorted, but about the date/time of
posts. If I'm not mistaken, users see the date/time in their corresponding local time (although it may be displayed as "X hours ago", "X days ago" or something similar, unless you hover over it). It's the same in other platforms.

So the timezone is used on those platforms, just not shown to the users.

Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.3.2.6-B20251227
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

test

It made it to Arkansas.

Daryl

... Back the Metric System every inch of the way!
=== MultiMail/Win v0.52
--- SBBSecho 3.32-Win32
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Michiel,

Only nitpickers get turned on by it.

"nitpicker" as in the translation from "mierenneuker".

If it weren't for those "nitpickers" Fidonet would have been dead decades ago.

All is not lost, Switzerland is alive...

\%/@rd

--- DB4 - 20230201
* Origin: Many Glacier - Preserve / Protect / Conserve (2:292/854)

07 Apr 26 19:46:13 Thomas Mccaffery (1:266/630) wrote:

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On 07 Apr 26 19:46:13 Thomas Mccaffery (1:266/630) wrote:

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--- mirror.pl
* Origin: Eastern Canada (1:229/0)

this is a test from Galaxy BBS --- SBBSecho 3.37-Win32 *

This is a test reply to your test..

~ Merlin


*** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
--- FMail-W32 2.3.1.0
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�ਢ��, All!

test 2


� ������訬� ��������ﬨ, Ivan.

nizhnevartovsk WX: +0?C, Humidity 93%, Wind <-28km/h, 1001hPa, 1.8mm Light snow --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20250409
* Origin: Living in interesting times (2:50/86)

�ਢ��, All!

test


� ������訬� ��������ﬨ, Ivan.

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20250409
* Origin: Living in interesting times (2:50/86)

08 Apr 26 02:49:26 Ivan Zelenyi (2:50/86) wrote:

==== begin of the message ====
@MSGID: 2:50/86 69d57c05
@CHRS: CP866 2
@TZUTC: 0500
�ਢ��, All!

test 2


� ������訬� ��������ﬨ, Ivan.

nizhnevartovsk WX: +0?C, Humidity 93%, Wind <-28km/h, 1001hPa, 1.8mm Light snow -+- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20250409
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---
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test

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20250409
* Origin: Living in interesting times (2:50/86)

looks good!

... I Woke up this mownin, and I got myself a beew"-The Fudds
--- Wildcat! v10.0.500.1 (Apr 4 2026), Editor Mod v1.7
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testing

... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!!
--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v10.0
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12 Apr 26 19:41:34 Robert Wolfe (1:261/20) wrote:

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testing

... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!!
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On 12 Apr 26 19:41:34 Robert Wolfe (1:261/20) wrote:

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testing

... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!!
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This robot responds to non-reply messages addressed to "All" where the subject contains "Test", "Testing" or "Ping".

--- mirror.pl
* Origin: Eastern Canada (1:229/0)

Hello Ivan,

08 Apr 26 02:49, you wrote to All:

@MSGID: 2:50/86 69d57c05
@CHRS: CP866 2
@TZUTC: 0500
�ਢ��, All!

test 2

� ������訬� ��������ﬨ, Ivan.

nizhnevartovsk WX: +0?C, Humidity 93%, Wind <-28km/h, 1001hPa, 1.8mm
Light snow
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ByEbYe
--
Daniel

telnet://bbs.roonsbbs.hu:1212 <<=-

... Uptime: 1d 9h 21m 42s
--- GoldED/2 1.1.4.7+EMX
* Origin: Roon's BBS - Budapest, HUNGARY (2:371/52)

Hello Ivan,

08 Apr 26 12:19, you wrote to All:

@MSGID: 2:50/86 69d601c9
@CHRS: CP866 2
@TZUTC: 0500
test

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20250409
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ByEbYe
--
Daniel

telnet://bbs.roonsbbs.hu:1212 <<=-

... Uptime: 1d 9h 21m 42s
--- GoldED/2 1.1.4.7+EMX
* Origin: Roon's BBS - Budapest, HUNGARY (2:371/52)

Hello Ivan,

08 Apr 26 22:28, you wrote to All:

@MSGID: 2:50/86 69d69039
@CHRS: CP866 2
@TZUTC: 0500
�ਢ��, All!

test

� ������訬� ��������ﬨ, Ivan.

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20250409
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ByEbYe
--
Daniel

telnet://bbs.roonsbbs.hu:1212 <<=-

... Uptime: 1d 9h 21m 42s
--- GoldED/2 1.1.4.7+EMX
* Origin: Roon's BBS - Budapest, HUNGARY (2:371/52)

Hello Robert,

12 Apr 26 19:41, you wrote to All:

@TID: PX/Win v10.0 PX28-1176M
@MSGID: 1:261/20 f2257b97
@TZUTC: -0400
testing

... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!!
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ByEbYe
--
Daniel

telnet://bbs.roonsbbs.hu:1212 <<=-

... Uptime: 1d 9h 21m 42s
--- GoldED/2 1.1.4.7+EMX
* Origin: Roon's BBS - Budapest, HUNGARY (2:371/52)

just a test after a new Platinum Xpress upgrade

... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!!
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17 Apr 26 07:47:06 Robert Wolfe (1:261/20) wrote:

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just a test after a new Platinum Xpress upgrade

... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!!
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Hello, Robert Wolfe.
On 12.04.2026 19:16 you wrote:

looks good!

From April 3 to April 11, there were problems with Echomail traffic ((

--
With best regards,
Ivan Zelenyi
--- Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
* Origin: Yggdrasil mesh point at HUAWEI EVE-LX9N (2:50/86.1)

On 17 Apr 26 07:47:06 Robert Wolfe (1:261/20) wrote:

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... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!!
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--- mirror.pl
* Origin: Eastern Canada (1:229/0)

Robert,

just a test after a new Platinum Xpress upgrade

It made it to Arkansas.

Daryl

... Best file compression around: "DEL ." = 100% compression.
=== MultiMail/Win v0.52
--- SBBSecho 3.32-Win32
* Origin: The Thunderbolt BBS - Little Rock, Arkansas (1:19/33)

On Apr 18, 2026 08:04am, Mirror Robot wrote to Robert Wolfe:

On 17 Apr 26 07:47:06 Robert Wolfe (1:261/20) wrote:

==== start of message ====
@TID: PX/Win v10.0 PX28-1176M
@MSGID: 1:261/20 6a020c80
@TZUTC: -0400
just a test after a new Platinum Xpress upgrade

... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!!
-+- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v10.0
+ Origin: On the Brink *&Buffalo, NY USA *

brinkbbs.org (1:261/20)

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128/187 129/14

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426 428 452 470

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291/111 292/854

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342/19 200 396/45

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@PATH: 261/20 320/219 229/426
==== end of message ====

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"All" where the

subject contains "Test", "Testing" or "Ping".

--- mirror.pl
* Origin: Eastern Canada (1:229/0)

testiung new beta update
--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v10.0
* Origin: On the Brink *&Buffalo, NY USA * brinkbbs.org (1:261/20)

On Apr 20, 2026 04:46pm, Daryl Stout wrote to Robert Wolfe:

@TZUTC: -0500
@MSGID: 718.fidonet_fidotest@1:19/33 2e4bd63c
@REPLY: 1:261/20 6a020c80
@PID: Synchronet 3.21a-Win32 master/04856e14d Nov 10

2025 MSC 1944

@TID: SBBSecho 3.32-Win32 master/04856e14d Nov 10 2025

MSC 1944

@BBSID: TBOLTBBS
@CHRS: CP437 2
@FORMAT: flowed
Robert,

just a test after a new Platinum Xpress upgrade

It made it to Arkansas.

Daryl

... Best file compression around: "DEL ." = 100%

compression.

=== MultiMail/Win v0.52
--- SBBSecho 3.32-Win32
* Origin: The Thunderbolt BBS - Little Rock, Arkansas

(1:19/33)

installed a new beta update. Let's see what happens.
--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v10.0b21
* Origin: On the Brink *&Buffalo, NY USA * brinkbbs.org (1:261/20)

testing

... Some people have no idea what they're doing, and are really good at it!

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2024/05/29 (Windows/64)
* Origin: Listen To: http://radio.klyntar.net (1:261/20.1)

testing
--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v10.0
* Origin: On the Brink *&Buffalo, NY USA * brinkbbs.org (1:261/20)

25 Apr 26 12:08:10 Robert Wolfe (1:261/20) wrote:

==== begin of the message ====
@TID: PX/Win v10.0 PX28-1176M
@MSGID: 1:261/20 0f89ec71
@TZUTC: -0400
testing
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@PATH: 261/20 320/219 221/1
==== end of the message ====

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* Origin: RBB Test Robot @ FIDOTEST (2:221/360)

On 22 Apr 26 13:41:48 Robert Wolfe (1:261/20.1) wrote:

==== start of message ====
@TID: Mystic BBS 1.12 A49
@MSGID: 1:261/20.1 6bd8a275
@TZUTC: -0400
testing

... Some people have no idea what they're doing, and are really good at it!

-+- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2024/05/29 (Windows/64)
+ Origin: Listen To: http://radio.klyntar.net (1:261/20.1)
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--- mirror.pl
* Origin: Eastern Canada (1:229/0)

Hi Robert,

22 Apr 2026 10:08, you wrote to Daryl Stout:

@MSGID: 1:261/20 CB34D9D4
@REPLY: 718.fidonet_fidotest@1:19/33 2e4bd63c

^^^^^^

@TID: PX/Win v10.0b21 PX28-1176M
@TZUTC: -0400

installed a new beta update. Let's see what happens.

Now your replies include the REPLY kludge. That's much better!

Carlos

--- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: cyberiada (2:341/234.1)

Hello Robert,

25 Apr 26 12:08, you wrote to All:

@TID: PX/Win v10.0 PX28-1176M
@MSGID: 1:261/20 0f89ec71
@TZUTC: -0400
testing
--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v10.0
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@PATH: 261/20 320/219 221/1 240/1120 371/0

it took 2 days but arrived at least :)

ByEbYe
--
Daniel

telnet://bbs.roonsbbs.hu:1212 <<=-

... Uptime: 13d 18h 14m 44s
--- GoldED/2 1.1.4.7+EMX
* Origin: Roon's BBS - Budapest, HUNGARY (2:371/52)

On Apr 27, 2026 08:33pm, Carlos Navarro wrote to Robert Wolfe:

Hi Robert,

22 Apr 2026 10:08, you wrote to Daryl Stout:

@MSGID: 1:261/20 CB34D9D4
@REPLY: 718.fidonet_fidotest@1:19/33 2e4bd63c

^^^^^^

@TID: PX/Win v10.0b21 PX28-1176M
@TZUTC: -0400

installed a new beta update. Let's see what happens.

Now your replies include the REPLY kludge. That's much better!

Carlos

--- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: cyberiada (2:341/234.1)

thank you, I've let the developers know.
--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v10.0b22
* Origin: On the Brink *&Buffalo, NY USA * brinkbbs.org (1:261/20)

07 May 26 20:13:31 Matthew Asham (1:153/149.42) wrote:

==== begin of the message ====
@CHRS: CP437 2
@TZUTC: -0700
@MSGID: 1:153/149.42@fidonet AF0D94DE
@PID: BinktermPHP 1.9.5 Linux
testing

-+- BinktermPHP v1.9.5
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@PATH: 153/149 757 280/464 221/1
==== end of the message ====

---
* Origin: RBB Test Robot @ FIDOTEST (2:221/360)

On 07 May 26 20:13:31 Matthew Asham (1:153/149.42) wrote:

==== start of message ====
@CHRS: CP437 2
@TZUTC: -0700
@MSGID: 1:153/149.42@fidonet AF0D94DE
@PID: BinktermPHP 1.9.5 Linux
testing

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@PATH: 153/149 757 280/464 460/58 229/426
==== end of message ====

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--- mirror.pl
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123

IB Joe, Pronouns (FJB/LGB)
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of 4A 6F 65 73 42 42 53
-=JoesBBS.com=-

... I know a good tagline when I steal one!

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2023/04/30 (Windows/64)
* Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:23 SSH:22 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)

07 May 26 22:46:06 IB Joe (1:342/201) wrote:

==== begin of the message ====
@TID: Mystic BBS 1.12 A49
@MSGID: 1:342/201 dcf05f48
@TZUTC: -0600
123

IB Joe, Pronouns (FJB/LGB)
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of 4A 6F 65 73 42 42 53
-=JoesBBS.com=-

... I know a good tagline when I steal one!

-+- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2023/04/30 (Windows/64)
+ Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:23 SSH:22 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)
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SEEN+BY: 5020/400 5075/35
@PATH: 342/201 200 229/426 902/26 280/464 221/1
==== end of the message ====

---
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On 07 May 26 22:46:06 IB Joe (1:342/201) wrote:

==== start of message ====
@TID: Mystic BBS 1.12 A49
@MSGID: 1:342/201 dcf05f48
@TZUTC: -0600
123

IB Joe, Pronouns (FJB/LGB)
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of 4A 6F 65 73 42 42 53
-=JoesBBS.com=-

... I know a good tagline when I steal one!

-+- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2023/04/30 (Windows/64)
+ Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:23 SSH:22 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)
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@PATH: 342/201 200 229/426
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On May 07, 2026 10:52pm, IB Joe wrote to All:

123

IB Joe, Pronouns (FJB/LGB)
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of 4A 6F 65 73 42 42 53
-=JoesBBS.com=-

... I know a good tagline when I steal one!

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2023/04/30 (Windows/64)
* Origin: JoesBBS.Com, Telnet:23 SSH:22 HTTP:80 (1:342/201)

got it here.
--- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v10.0b22
* Origin: On the Brink *&Buffalo, NY USA * brinkbbs.org (1:261/20)

On 07 May 26 20:13:31 Matthew Asham (1:153/149.42) wrote:

==== start of message ====
@CHRS: CP437 2
@TZUTC: -0700
@MSGID: 1:153/149.42@fidonet AF0D94DE
@PID: BinktermPHP 1.9.5 Linux
testing

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@PATH: 153/149 757 280/464 396/45 229/426
==== end of message ====

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--- mirror.pl
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Hi all!

Test

Regards,
Roman

--- FidoMac/1.0
* Origin: You've got mail. And so does your boss node. (1:267/67.1)

18 May 26 21:37:27 Roman Flowers (1:267/67.1) wrote:

==== begin of the message ====
@CHRS: UTF-8 4
@CHRS: UTF-8 4
Hi all!

Test

Regards,
Roman

-+- FidoMac/1.0
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On 18 May 26 21:37:27 Roman Flowers (1:267/67.1) wrote:

==== start of message ====
@CHRS: UTF-8 4
@CHRS: UTF-8 4
Hi all!

Test

Regards,
Roman

-+- FidoMac/1.0
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SEEN+BY: 5020/400 5054/30 5075/35
@PATH: 267/67 800 770/1 280/464 460/58 229/426
==== end of message ====

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--- mirror.pl
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Hello Roman,

Test

It's good to see you, I hope all is well with you.

@SEEN-BY: 80/1 103/705 124/5016 153/757 154/10 30 203/0 218/840 220/70 221/0 @SEEN-BY: 226/17 240/1120 5832 263/1 267/67 118 150 157 159 310 331 800 280/464 @SEEN-BY: 280/1043 5003 5006 5555 292/854 8125 301/1 310/31 341/66 234 396/45 @SEEN-BY: 423/120 460/58 633/280 712/848 770/1 100 340 350 772/210 220 230 @SEEN-BY: 5020/400
@PATH: 267/67 800 770/1 280/464 153/757
@CHRS: UTF-8 4
@CHRS: UTF-8 4

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-7
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757)

Hey Alan,

Good to see you too! All is well, thanks for asking. Hope you are doing well!

On May 18, 2026, Alan Ianson wrote:

Hello Roman,

Test

It's good to see you, I hope all is well with you.

@SEEN-BY: 80/1 103/705 124/5016 153/757 154/10 30 203/0 218/840 220/70 221/0
@SEEN-BY: 226/17 240/1120 5832 263/1 267/67 118 150 157 159 310 331 800 280/464
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@PATH: 267/67 800 770/1 280/464 153/757
@CHRS: UTF-8 4
@CHRS: UTF-8 4

--- FidoMac/1.0
* Origin: Point and click. And also point and mail. (1:267/67.1)

Hi Roman,

On 2026-05-18 21:37:27, you wrote to All:

@CHRS: UTF-8 4
@CHRS: UTF-8 4

You have a double CHRS kludge, and no other kludge lines like MSGID, or TZUTC ... ?

Hi all!

Test

Regards,
Roman

--- FidoMac/1.0
* Origin: You've got mail. And so does your boss node. (1:267/67.1) SEEN-BY: 80/1 103/705 124/5016 153/757 154/10 30 203/0 218/840 220/70 SEEN-BY: 221/0 226/17 240/1120 5832 263/1 267/67 118 150 157 159 310 SEEN-BY: 267/331 800 280/464 1043 5003 5006 5555 292/854 8125 301/1 SEEN-BY: 310/31 341/66 234 396/45 423/120 460/58 633/280 712/848 770/1 SEEN-BY: 770/100 340 350 772/210 220 230 5020/400
@PATH: 267/67 800 770/1 280/464

Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.3.3.1-B20260417
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

Hey thanks for noticing.

How does it look on your side now?

On May 19, 2026, Wilfred van Velzen wrote:

Hi Roman,

On 2026-05-18 21:37:27, you wrote to All:

@CHRS: UTF-8 4
@CHRS: UTF-8 4

You have a double CHRS kludge, and no other kludge lines like MSGID, or TZUTC ... ?

Hi all!

Test

Regards,
Roman

--- FidoMac/1.0
* Origin: You've got mail. And so does your boss node. (1:267/67.1) SEEN-BY: 80/1 103/705 124/5016 153/757 154/10 30 203/0 218/840 220/70 SEEN-BY: 221/0 226/17 240/1120 5832 263/1 267/67 118 150 157 159 310 SEEN-BY: 267/331 800 280/464 1043 5003 5006 5555 292/854 8125 301/1 SEEN-BY: 310/31 341/66 234 396/45 423/120 460/58 633/280 712/848 770/1 SEEN-BY: 770/100 340 350 772/210 220 230 5020/400
@PATH: 267/67 800 770/1 280/464

Bye, Wilfred.

--- FidoMac/1.0
* Origin: You've got mail. And so does your boss node. (1:267/67.1)

Hi Roman,

On 2026-05-19 21:03:13, you wrote to me:

@MSGID: 1:267/67.1 4579c8c0
@PID: FidoMac 0.1
@CHRS: UTF-8 4
@TZUTC: -0500
@TID: FidoMac 0.1
Hey thanks for noticing.

How does it look on your side now?

Much better!

@CHRS: UTF-8 4
@CHRS: UTF-8 4

You have a double CHRS kludge, and no other kludge lines like MSGID, or
TZUTC ... ?

Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.3.3.1-B20260417
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)